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All Vcus held by Moss and tokenized (thus all MCO2s) are retired at Verra and Armanino has audited this. The company has been audited by EY. So the risk of double spending is zero indeed (and audited as such)

REDD+ is the most prolific source of voluntary carbon credits (50% of all issuances for 2019-20) and thus there will be more examples of wrongdoing and bad apples. Statistically, though, percentage wise, bad apples are negligible. And the future of the global voluntary market lies on REDD+ : McKinsey estimates that 65% to 85% of future global volumes will come from NBS (thus, from REDD+). And, tech wise, REDD+ projects are the easiest to measure via cold data and satellite imaging. Past "bad apples" happened mostly in a time when imaging was expensive and a lot less accessible than nowadays.

Although Moss' initial positioning has been of acting as an intermediary, the company is beginning to develop its own projects and generation using technology, thus migrating slowly away from the middleman position you mention

Finally, the MCO2 token is listed at the main global exchanges, including Gemini and Coinbase. Thus, the MCO2 would bring Klima the validation of association with a company and project that have gone through the most rigorous due diligence processes out there, and bring the existing high liquidity of current exchanges that offer MCO2

    For: Introduce KLIMA-MCO2 and MCO2 bonds

    It's what makes the most sense! Happy to see this

    Moss
    Thank you for the further info. Your audit report does not mention that you have retired the VERs, only that you have bought them. Could you please point me to the text which clarifies that statement?

    New verification tech will certainly help, but in your last project listed above (Madre Dios), you use the same validator that has apparently done a pretty crappy job in the Peruvian Madre Dios project. What steps have you taken to ensure the baseline and subsequent verification have been done properly?

    It is good that you are getting into the PD space, but until that happens, bonding on Klima is indeed a one-way positive arb for you.

    I struggle to understand the real benefit of the CB/Gemini listing of MCO2 for Klima. BCT is only traded in the Liq Pools and the DAO accumulates the fees, which is beneficial. MCO2 trading on CB does not help the DAO fees-wise, it helps CB. I agree that it will potentially channel more people into bonding and staking Klima, but they rather do it in the DAO owned pool for max benefit.

    Klima's most valuable proposition over time is the intrinsic value. Would you agree to stimulate demand for Klima among your end clients as an alternative to selling MCO2 directly to them?

    Thank you

      yes pls. me like KLIMA-MCO2 and MCO2 bonds

      I would like to see MCO2- BCT bond! If that goes well maby more bonds cold be developed. Just want be cautious about new assets that is backing klimas treasure. Good proposal! My vote is neutral for now.

      If these 2 can collab, it would be one of the best idea for csrbon off sets.

      I have read the Moss website and the whitepaper and I am a little bit confused as to the specifics of how you guys tokenize your carbon credits. Are they not retired as soon as they are brought on chain?

        mustapo Same here. I wold like to see more documentation about the process how carbon credits is bridget to on chain, how and who has verified these projects and less about how to buy MCO2 token and about their market places. Website actually brings more concerns on my mind than answers.

          For: Introduce KLIMA-MCO2 and MCO2 bonds

          lancecord I wouldn’t worry too much about this as BCT already consists of units that are avoided emissions. A deep dive has been done already: https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1rlInksw4PDilkOdJmxVqRDwDsbMqx3_Q?usp=sharing

          Are REDD+ or REDD the highest grade offsets? No, but they still are okay for the most part. The goal is to act like a black hole and ensure that other polluters can’t access them.

            greevesie Could that actually be one of the approvals? At least guiding one... Once so called polluter( and regulators) accepts one of offsets that's when Klima will approve them to to be a part of treasure 🤔

            Cooperation is important at on-chain carbon market. Cause we have a same goal . So , i vote yes on it .

            In favour of this for sure, 2022 here we come!

            Sirob As I am not an expert on what is going on, I would, as I don't have any better option, defer my yes/no to Sirob. He is clearly on the right path and seems to be asking the right questions.


            I do not think it is good enough for random people to simply agree or disagree on these types of decisions. Knowledgeable expertise needs to be utilized.

            I would rather propose that a professional and science based council be formed to vet these types of proposals.

            As someone that is certainly not knowledgeable enough to make an educated decision, I would think this would be required from a DAO like KLIMA so that people like me could feel comfortable voting on things like this.